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RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

do jan 29, 2009 18:38

and some person who is close to presenting himsalf as "god" might not be such, yet capable of accomplishing pretty nice miracles. That qualifies for becoming saint... :lol:
And so he became known as SaintO.... :jumping:
If they played games with reg for customs and scrutineering at LM, and self evidently they did, why should they bother to swap again false reg plates around for bringing a car to a hillclimb in Italy?
I mean that it's a sensible guess to think that the car that had **38 at LM should be the same wearing again **38 at Trento.
I don't have a date on the 1965 Trento hillclimb. Would you have that? That might put it into perspective with what # 750108 did at that time. The 1964 Trento was on July 12 I believe.
You are right here. probably a pretty light shade of red, whose rendering on film is plain orange!
I'll be going to Le Mans again this year (bar any intervention) and will drop by at Washington Photo to see if they have other color images of the cars.
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TZaleban? :lol: :lol: :lol:
There's a colour pic of it, rather champagne if I recall well, in Alfissimo by D.Owen
Don't have that at hand here... Anybody who would have a color scan?
Not sure, but possible. I rmember a comment from the former owner of one TZ2 (I have not the reference at hand) saying that his former car had an aluminium hood.
Richard Pilkington on TZ-2 # 750106?
On these pictures of, what I believe to be, # 750106, taken during the Targa Florio 1966, it appears as if the part of the bonnet with the round Alfa logo is bent inwards which could be a hint at the bonnet indeed being aluminum and not Fiberglass.
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EDIT 1:
I just checked with Rudy Pas who (co)brokered # 750106 in 1989 between John Mecom and Hideki Yokata but unfortunately he doesn't recall if the bonnet was indeed (still) aluminum.


I updated the file of TZ-2 # 750112 to reflect its participation @ Le Mans 1965.

EDIT 2:
The double stamping lead Marcello Minerbi to wrongfully allocating this picture to # 750109 in his 1984 book
Yes, and probably Ben Hendrickx had not understood that confusion when he later commented that 109 had strangely disappeared... But did you notice the strange, oversize bulge in the centre of the bonnet on the pics in Minerbi's book? Made me thinking...
It is indeed humongous!
Afbeelding
But, please, do tell! What did it make you think? Engine experiments?


Would you happen to know when Raffaele Rosati came into the possession of Fiberglass TZ-1 # 750107 and what the new registration number was? If that date is ahead of the 1965 Le mans race and Rosati indeed applied for a new registration, that would be a perfectly logical explanation for how UD100953 ended up on # 43 at Le Mans...

Oh... voor ik het vergeet...

Als iemand op de site foto's ziet die ook voorkomen in het boek van SintO... zou er dan een seintje gegeven kunnen worden? Ik ben altijd weigerachtig geweest het boek te kopen en in de meeste gevallen is de exacte bron van de plaatjes niet bekend maar wil geen proces aan de broek vanwege copyright.

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do jan 29, 2009 19:47

Would anybody have that KB or that Ruoteclassiche issue for sale?

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do jan 29, 2009 20:37

Would anybody have that KB or that Ruoteclassiche issue for sale?

More to come!
In het bewuste artikel in het KB wordt met geen woord gerept over de Periscopio
Maar wel alvast heel hartelijk dank! 8)
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RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

do jan 29, 2009 22:04

Kan iemand het hele TZ-2 gebeuren nog volgen eigenlijk? :lol:
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RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

do jan 29, 2009 22:41

I like the rover gas turbine in the back...
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Re: RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

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I like the rover gas turbine in the back...
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vr jan 30, 2009 00:29

[...] the grayish car to the right should be # 50 (# 750036) of Gustave Gosselin
There's a colour pic of it, rather champagne if I recall well, in Alfissimo by D.Owen
Looks to be "champaign-ish" indeed...
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Re: RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

vr jan 30, 2009 11:30

Kan iemand het hele TZ-2 gebeuren nog volgen eigenlijk? :lol:
Well, dare I say that a topic that mixes all Zagato models, and has thus a few TZ posts lost in the middle of an attempt to make up a JZ register, doesn't help following a complex issue like the TZ2s individual history.

And even single posts may contain discussion about single TZs, single TZ2s and JZ... :?

Conclusion is that those who follow the TZ2s have: a strong interest; an excellent memory; and/or an efficient files system. :D
In het bewuste artikel in het KB wordt met geen woord gerept over de Periscopio
Sorry, I have not my KBs at hand, and while I'm sure there's an important piece in the Ruoteclassiche article by Busso, I may have mixed my memories about the KB article. But yet, the point remains that the Periscopica had a Scarabeo chassis, with a DeDion rear end and reversed engine side compared to the former Scarabeos.

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Re: RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

vr jan 30, 2009 11:44


Richard Pilkington on TZ-2 # 750106?
[...]
EDIT 1:
I just checked with Rudy Pas who (co)brokered # 750106 in 1989 between John Mecom and Hideki Yokata but unfortunately he doesn't recall if the bonnet was indeed (still) aluminum.
It is indeed referred to 750106 when owned by Pilkington.
Yes, and probably Ben Hendrickx had not understood that confusion when he later commented that 109 had strangely disappeared... But did you notice the strange, oversize bulge in the centre of the bonnet on the pics in Minerbi's book? Made me thinking...
It is indeed humongous!
Afbeelding
But, please, do tell! What did it make you think? Engine experiments?
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Replacement bonnet?
Would you happen to know when Raffaele Rosati came into the possession of Fiberglass TZ-1 # 750107 and what the new registration number was? If that date is ahead of the 1965 Le mans race and Rosati indeed applied for a new registration, that would be a perfectly logical explanation for how UD100953 ended up on # 43 at Le Mans...
21.7.67, and a Firenze reg. released on 4.9.67 Doesn't help.

But, the logics would have 750112 having also 750107 somewhere else for it fitting the LM registration. SantO writes it also carries 109. Doesn't fit. But is it trustwOrthy? OTOH, 750106 is reported having 107 stamped on passenger side. :?: :?:

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RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

vr jan 30, 2009 11:54

Well, we could split the whole TZ stuff off from this topic but in general there is very little input (also on the more international boards).

A separate topic might make it more easy to follow though but we would still have to live with cross-overs between TZ and TZ2 and more than 1 car being discussed in a single post as there are inevitably connections between the cars.
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RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

vr jan 30, 2009 12:26

Zal weer zo veel mogelijk terug gaan naar het Nederlands.

Kreeg net deze foto binnen ( Dank David!) van de nummer 82 tijdens de 1000 KM van de Nurburgring op 23 Mei 1965.
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De auto was ingeschreven door Autodelta en bestuurd door Roberto Bussinello & Carlo Zuccoli die de wagen naar een teleurstellende 30e plaats overall reden.
Zoals AR110AF al wist te melden, ontbreekt hier wederom de opstaande rand voor de ruitenwissers, een "distinctive feature" van # 750112 aan wiens toch al indrukwekkende lijst van races er nu dus weer eentje is toegevoegd.
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RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

vr jan 30, 2009 12:35

Lijkt het maar zo of ligt de voorruit er uit?

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RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

vr jan 30, 2009 12:38

van huishoudelijke aard: prima te volgen (spannend zelfs!) dus handhaaf de TZ-2 info maar in dit Z draadje..
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Re: RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

vr jan 30, 2009 13:14

Lijkt het maar zo of ligt de voorruit er uit?
Scherp gezien, en voor de goede doorstroming is ook de achterruit verwijderd
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RE: Alfa Zagato Registers - Le Mans 1965 - 451

vr jan 30, 2009 13:19

Iemand enig idee wat er precies gebeurd is?

De wagen eindigde maar liefst 13 plaatsen achter zijn soortgenoot # 83...
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