RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
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156 SW (model 2001)
LANCIA Y MOMO DESIGN
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RE: SCARB juni 2010: Centennial
Beste clubleden,
Ipv nieuws over de nog steeds niet gepubliceerde luchtfoto´s van de hug, we zijn benieuwd of die er daadwerkelijk zijn en nog komen...... hebben we vandaag, na eerst een vage mail over foto´s van een fotograaf vanuit de organisatie, en publicatie van ons commentaar op het Alfisti forum doorgekregen van Alfisti.com dat de website per 18 juli a.s. wordt gesloten!
Blijkbaar is het afgegeven commentaar op de centennial met achtergrond informatie op het Alfisti forum teveel voor de organisatie geworden, die tot nu toe alleen een zakelijk niets zeggend ´verslagje´ over het evenement heeft gepubliceerd. De organisatie blijft ons verbazen. Daarom nu ook hier ons commentaar over de centennial geplaatst als niet BLR deelnemer aan dit evenement:
"Dear Afisti,
We as a couple have been at the centenary from Friday up to the Sunday program and that´s really all we can say about it positively, referring to the comments made by many others already.
The first time we heard about the celebration, as long time members of the Dutch AROC, SCARB, we immediately wanted to be part of it. Hearing and reading about previous events in Italy for many years, like the Milia Miglia, we could only imagine a passionate event in the make. A country famous for it´s people with passion for cars, making beautiful cars with Alfa Romeo as a great icon!
So, a 100 years celebration of Alfa Romeo, we could only imagine it to be special and great!
We should have known better after reading about the ´preparations´ and unclear communications leaving even the clubs out! Very last minute there was some kind of ´final´ program and as it turns out now, with no backing of the brand itself. We expected the organisation to be a bit unorganized, but an insure feeling about how the event would turn out to be grew stronger.
On arrival we planned to go to the Arese museum (first time there, finally after so many years!). Even though the volunteers did their best, the promise that there were e.g. going to be special guided tours was not met. Also special cars were at other events around the world sending out the clear message that the celebration of 100 years Alfa in Milano, was not thát important. A feeling of disappointment grew further.
The suggestion to visit another exhibition, the 100 X 100, was good. The exhibition was great. But although suggested that this exhibition was part of the event, it turned out to be a separate exhibition organised by a local club and had to be paid separate! This part of information was of course not mentioned.
The event itself was a joke and insulting to us and as, to it seems, many alfisti who have come over to celebrate a, what we thought to be, very special occasion. Not even the directors of Fiat were present at the event, no opening speeches with thanks to all those loyal Alfisiti who had come from all over the world to celebrate, nothing! Again displaying the message loud and clear; this celebration is not important. Leaving us behind with a feeling of being foolish to think Fiat is proud of there brand existing 100 years.
In Milano itself it seemed people did not really bother or even knew about the event. We have not seen any promotions in the city like banners for example. Fiat turned her back to her loyalists clients. So why we wondered, did Fiat display there newest model in the city? What is Fiat expecting?
Reading Il Fusi about the broken promises by Fiat with protesters during the event, it maybe was understandable that Fiat chose to stay away from the event.
Milano was not breathing Alfa Romeo, could it be due to the broken promises of Fiat? Sure. But also, what can you expect with Mercedes merchandising their brand in a large shop in the heard of the fashion city right in the middle of the most exclusive Galleria in the world, the Alfonso Galleria. No Alfa Romeo shop there, we only found some Alfa car models and pens in a few other shops. Disappointing.
Having driven Alfa from the last 33 model, also driven RWD oldies and still enjoying a GT Junior, to a 156 diesel, we are alfisti in heart and soul. Alfa Romeo has been able, with Fiat, to come back with better made FWD models like the 155, 156 (even car of the year!) and now the great 159 series, with for sure our next car, the Spider. We find the Spider together with the 8C modern classic icons, impossible to improve in design! So, what is the goal of Fiat, we wonder.
Since cleaner motoring is the future, but only new and very dull brands are offering hybrid and other alternative motoring. The future for Alfa could be in the forefront of that, filling in the gap for ´cuoro sportivo´ designs and clean motoring. This should give a bright future to Alfa with it´s great history to build on.
However, from the many comments on this forum combined with the attitude of Fiat towards the ´celebration´, we feel, that the event may have been the beginning of the end of the brand after making 100 years of automotive history. That would be a shame.
Hopefully this will not happen and is Alfa going to be saved by people with vision on what the brand is all about and what Alfa can become, as has happened with Saab. Building further on a core of customers and admirers.
Unfortunately Fiat did not see and embrace the opportunities available to them with the 100 year celebration. Instead Fiat chose to disappoint and insult the thousands of Alfisiti and to deliver, through it´s contractors, a failed event. We therefore agree with the people to claim a refund in order to let the organisation responsible know that what happened, despite all the good things around it done by others, is not acceptable. In the end, unfortunately, is the saying ´money talks´ true. Especially in, to it seems, a money driven occasion. We therefore will put in a claim and if needed will have the credit card company refund because of a so called ´default product´.
We are however very positive on the initiative to organise a great event for 2015 to celebrate a 100 years AR with the right passion and organisation! We think the best location would be a historical ground for AR, what better than MONZA. There should be all the space needed and enough opportunities for driving, Italian food, lifestyle and merchandising. A kind of MONZA ´Festival of Speed´.
We are open for suggestions to support this.
Marielle & Harry"
Ipv nieuws over de nog steeds niet gepubliceerde luchtfoto´s van de hug, we zijn benieuwd of die er daadwerkelijk zijn en nog komen...... hebben we vandaag, na eerst een vage mail over foto´s van een fotograaf vanuit de organisatie, en publicatie van ons commentaar op het Alfisti forum doorgekregen van Alfisti.com dat de website per 18 juli a.s. wordt gesloten!
Blijkbaar is het afgegeven commentaar op de centennial met achtergrond informatie op het Alfisti forum teveel voor de organisatie geworden, die tot nu toe alleen een zakelijk niets zeggend ´verslagje´ over het evenement heeft gepubliceerd. De organisatie blijft ons verbazen. Daarom nu ook hier ons commentaar over de centennial geplaatst als niet BLR deelnemer aan dit evenement:
"Dear Afisti,
We as a couple have been at the centenary from Friday up to the Sunday program and that´s really all we can say about it positively, referring to the comments made by many others already.
The first time we heard about the celebration, as long time members of the Dutch AROC, SCARB, we immediately wanted to be part of it. Hearing and reading about previous events in Italy for many years, like the Milia Miglia, we could only imagine a passionate event in the make. A country famous for it´s people with passion for cars, making beautiful cars with Alfa Romeo as a great icon!
So, a 100 years celebration of Alfa Romeo, we could only imagine it to be special and great!
We should have known better after reading about the ´preparations´ and unclear communications leaving even the clubs out! Very last minute there was some kind of ´final´ program and as it turns out now, with no backing of the brand itself. We expected the organisation to be a bit unorganized, but an insure feeling about how the event would turn out to be grew stronger.
On arrival we planned to go to the Arese museum (first time there, finally after so many years!). Even though the volunteers did their best, the promise that there were e.g. going to be special guided tours was not met. Also special cars were at other events around the world sending out the clear message that the celebration of 100 years Alfa in Milano, was not thát important. A feeling of disappointment grew further.
The suggestion to visit another exhibition, the 100 X 100, was good. The exhibition was great. But although suggested that this exhibition was part of the event, it turned out to be a separate exhibition organised by a local club and had to be paid separate! This part of information was of course not mentioned.
The event itself was a joke and insulting to us and as, to it seems, many alfisti who have come over to celebrate a, what we thought to be, very special occasion. Not even the directors of Fiat were present at the event, no opening speeches with thanks to all those loyal Alfisiti who had come from all over the world to celebrate, nothing! Again displaying the message loud and clear; this celebration is not important. Leaving us behind with a feeling of being foolish to think Fiat is proud of there brand existing 100 years.
In Milano itself it seemed people did not really bother or even knew about the event. We have not seen any promotions in the city like banners for example. Fiat turned her back to her loyalists clients. So why we wondered, did Fiat display there newest model in the city? What is Fiat expecting?
Reading Il Fusi about the broken promises by Fiat with protesters during the event, it maybe was understandable that Fiat chose to stay away from the event.
Milano was not breathing Alfa Romeo, could it be due to the broken promises of Fiat? Sure. But also, what can you expect with Mercedes merchandising their brand in a large shop in the heard of the fashion city right in the middle of the most exclusive Galleria in the world, the Alfonso Galleria. No Alfa Romeo shop there, we only found some Alfa car models and pens in a few other shops. Disappointing.
Having driven Alfa from the last 33 model, also driven RWD oldies and still enjoying a GT Junior, to a 156 diesel, we are alfisti in heart and soul. Alfa Romeo has been able, with Fiat, to come back with better made FWD models like the 155, 156 (even car of the year!) and now the great 159 series, with for sure our next car, the Spider. We find the Spider together with the 8C modern classic icons, impossible to improve in design! So, what is the goal of Fiat, we wonder.
Since cleaner motoring is the future, but only new and very dull brands are offering hybrid and other alternative motoring. The future for Alfa could be in the forefront of that, filling in the gap for ´cuoro sportivo´ designs and clean motoring. This should give a bright future to Alfa with it´s great history to build on.
However, from the many comments on this forum combined with the attitude of Fiat towards the ´celebration´, we feel, that the event may have been the beginning of the end of the brand after making 100 years of automotive history. That would be a shame.
Hopefully this will not happen and is Alfa going to be saved by people with vision on what the brand is all about and what Alfa can become, as has happened with Saab. Building further on a core of customers and admirers.
Unfortunately Fiat did not see and embrace the opportunities available to them with the 100 year celebration. Instead Fiat chose to disappoint and insult the thousands of Alfisiti and to deliver, through it´s contractors, a failed event. We therefore agree with the people to claim a refund in order to let the organisation responsible know that what happened, despite all the good things around it done by others, is not acceptable. In the end, unfortunately, is the saying ´money talks´ true. Especially in, to it seems, a money driven occasion. We therefore will put in a claim and if needed will have the credit card company refund because of a so called ´default product´.
We are however very positive on the initiative to organise a great event for 2015 to celebrate a 100 years AR with the right passion and organisation! We think the best location would be a historical ground for AR, what better than MONZA. There should be all the space needed and enough opportunities for driving, Italian food, lifestyle and merchandising. A kind of MONZA ´Festival of Speed´.
We are open for suggestions to support this.
Marielle & Harry"
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RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
De mail van Alfisti.com:
Niet dat ik veel aan die site heb gehad. Eerst maanden moeten wachten op activering van mijn account, ben ik eindelijk binnen, wordt ik bij iedere nieuwe pagina gevraagd dezelfde onnozele enquête in te vullen (vond drie keer wel genoeg) en enkele weken voor het evenement is mijn wachtwoord opeens niet meer geldig, net zo min als elk nieuw aangevraagde wachtwoord. Ben de enige niet, zo lees ik elders, maar het probleem wordt niet opgepakt.
Dat de alfromeopress.com op 24 juni wel de onthulling van de sculptuur vermeldt, op 28 juni wereldkundig maakt dat de 'Giulietta, de veiligste compacte auto ooit' de 'officiële auto' (merkwaardig begrip) van de Aspria Zwemsport Cup is en het hele evenement NIET noemt maakt wel duidelijk hoe Marchionne c.s. over de Alfisti denken.
Wanneer we de luchtopnamen kunnen verwachten? Misschien bij SBS6, in 'De 25 slechtst georganiseerde evenementen'...
Dat de site wordt opgeheven ligt voor de hand. Als er geen budget is om het evenement fatsoenlijk te organiseren is er ook geen geld om een site in de lucht te houden. Pijnlijker is dat op alle kritiek geen enkele reactie komt.Dear Alfisti,
As you recall, last February we arrived at the first step in our mission, ending with topic no. 17, the workshop on community.
The event celebrating Alfa Romeo’s Centenary, which has seen much involvement and excitement from Alfisti members, marks the end of Alfisti.com, which will cease to operate on July 18, 2010.
Further to discussions from the workshop on community regarding the closing of Alfisti.com, your suggestions were taken into consideration, and some you will see in the construction of the Alfa Romeo web sites in the upcoming autumn.
Alfisti.com was immediately characterised as an international community, who helped bringing together Alfa lovers from all over the world.
During the anticipatory period of seeing what's on the way, we would like to keep the Alfa spirit alive, feeding your passion and your enthusiasm day by day.
For this reason, we hope you keep up the tremendous participation shown on Alfisti.com on the other Alfa Romeo sites. Please see below some of the ways you can stay involved.
For all the fans, we extend the invitation to visit www.alfaromeo.com, and its domestic sites, in order to stay updated on the latest news about Alfa Romeo and its products, especially the new Giulietta, which sees Alfa Romeo venture into a new century.
For Italy, www.alfisti.it
For the United Kingdom, www.cloverleafclub.co.uk
For France, http://espaceclient.alfaromeo.fr
You can all also follow your favorite automotive marque in the social networking sites:
FACEBOOK:
- Giulietta fan page
- Alfa Romeo fan page
YOUTUBE:
- Alfa Romeo Official Channel
To see more on the centenary celebrations, become a fan on the Alfa Romeo Facebook fan page, where you can find photos and videos of the event:
Alfa Romeo fan page
In conclusion, the staff at Alfa Romeo and Alfisti.com wish to extend enormous thanks for your passion and energy shown during this year's workshop, your support is the key to Alfa Romeo.
Un doppio lampeggio Alfista!
Niet dat ik veel aan die site heb gehad. Eerst maanden moeten wachten op activering van mijn account, ben ik eindelijk binnen, wordt ik bij iedere nieuwe pagina gevraagd dezelfde onnozele enquête in te vullen (vond drie keer wel genoeg) en enkele weken voor het evenement is mijn wachtwoord opeens niet meer geldig, net zo min als elk nieuw aangevraagde wachtwoord. Ben de enige niet, zo lees ik elders, maar het probleem wordt niet opgepakt.
Dat de alfromeopress.com op 24 juni wel de onthulling van de sculptuur vermeldt, op 28 juni wereldkundig maakt dat de 'Giulietta, de veiligste compacte auto ooit' de 'officiële auto' (merkwaardig begrip) van de Aspria Zwemsport Cup is en het hele evenement NIET noemt maakt wel duidelijk hoe Marchionne c.s. over de Alfisti denken.
Wanneer we de luchtopnamen kunnen verwachten? Misschien bij SBS6, in 'De 25 slechtst georganiseerde evenementen'...
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Paco166
RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
De 25 slechtst georganiseerde evenementen
Zullen we ooit weten wat er zich precies afgespeeld heeft? Er zijn vele meningen geplaatst, en die zijn natuurlijk persoonsgebonden. Ook vanuit Alfa kan ik me best een verhaal indenken waarom dit zo gelopen is.
Vanaf het begin is het een raar verhaal geweest. Eerst een herdenking op 24 juni. Toen een groot feest in het weekend, maar in feite niet door Alfa georganiseerd.
Wat het ook allemaal is, ik heb me uitstekend vermaakt tijdens onze 9 daagse reis met de 166 club. Netto is iedereen van de BLR ook hevig tevreden. En daar gaat het uiteindelijk om.
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RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
Nog een paar foto's van op Monza ontvangen 
Alfa Romeo Spider 2000 '73
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1300 Ti ‘69
SCARB nr.:2385
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1300 Ti ‘69
SCARB nr.:2385
RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
HIER een link naar een Alfaforum in Hong Kong, met diverse foto's van het Centenario. Sommigen zullen zichzelf herkennen.
La meccanica delle emozioni
'79 Spider 2000 Veloce
'88 33 1.7 QV
'93 33 1.7 iE S 16v SW Q4
33 SW corsa
'79 Spider 2000 Veloce
'88 33 1.7 QV
'93 33 1.7 iE S 16v SW Q4
33 SW corsa
Re: RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
HIER een link naar een Alfaforum in Hong Kong, met diverse foto's van het Centenario. Sommigen zullen zichzelf herkennen.
Zo.. als ik de foto's van de helicopter zie zijn er op zondag niet veel mensen komen opdagen... Ik moet toegeven dat ik ook een van de velen was die op de zondag niet meer naar Milaan gereden is. Na het file rijden op de zaterdag en het bakken en braden op de parking bij 35 graden, al zoekend naar een fatsoenlijke plaats om een bak koffie te drinken om de middag door te komen, had ik echt geen zin meer in de zondag.De buitenland rit was top, de organisatie van de MAC group niet, laat ik het daar maar op houden..
Alfa Romeo 4C Spider
Abarth 124 Spider
Abarth 124 Spider
RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
Vandaag de nieuwe Autovisie (nr. 15) ontvangen, 6 pagina's over de buitenlandit en Centennial, een leuk geschreven artikel met de nodige foto's.
Voor de liefhebbers zeker de moeite waard om even naar de kiosk te gaan
Voor de liefhebbers zeker de moeite waard om even naar de kiosk te gaan
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0170Spider
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RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
Die autovisie ligt hier inderdaad ook al op tafel - en nog niemand thuis 
om samen te genieten van de mooie plaat op de middenpagina waar onze Spider heel erg mooi prominent opstaat 
(weten we tenminste ook weer waarom we er ook al weer voor gezorgd hadden dat de voorkant er weer spik en span uitziet ).
om samen te genieten van de mooie plaat op de middenpagina waar onze Spider heel erg mooi prominent opstaat (weten we tenminste ook weer waarom we er ook al weer voor gezorgd hadden dat de voorkant er weer spik en span uitziet ).-
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RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
Jep en de 156sw is ook gespot op de 2e pagina
The absolut expression of italian technology
Was driving a 156 2.4 JTD Berline
Was driving a 156 1.9 jtd sw squadra equiped
Now driving 166 2.0 twin spark
Was driving a 156 2.4 JTD Berline
Was driving a 156 1.9 jtd sw squadra equiped
Now driving 166 2.0 twin spark
RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
Nou weet ik ook meteen van wie die witte 3 serie was die pontificaal voor op de parkeerkplaats bij het museum stond 
Nu: Giulietta QV
Gehad: 33 1.7 IE, 33 16v, 145 QV, 147 JTD, 156 2.4 JTD, 147 GTA, 156 V6
www.clubalfaromeo.nl
Gehad: 33 1.7 IE, 33 16v, 145 QV, 147 JTD, 156 2.4 JTD, 147 GTA, 156 V6
www.clubalfaromeo.nl
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RE: SCARB juni 2010: Buitenlandrit en Centennial
en er begint bij mij ook een kwartje te vallen over die witte drie-serie die vrijdag tussen ons inreed en deed alsof hij erbij hoorde - DAT waren ze. Ook weer opgelost...
RE: Autovisie Centennial
Ik heb gehoord dat mijn bolide er ook in staat. Is er iemand de gelegenheid om een scan te maken?
Ik ben namelijk razend benieuwd...!
Alvast bedankt,
Ewoud
(Giulia Super 1300 1974 muisgrijs)
Ik ben namelijk razend benieuwd...!
Alvast bedankt,
Ewoud
(Giulia Super 1300 1974 muisgrijs)
(Oo=\/=oO)
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Nice! Ik heb 'm nog niet gezien maar ga 'm vandaag zeker even halen in 't kioskje op het TUD-terreinDie autovisie ligt hier inderdaad ook al op tafel - en nog niemand thuis
Boudewijn
GTV 2000 '73
159 SW '10
GTV 2000 '73
159 SW '10